Student of the Light

October 23, 2010

The Time Settings of the 2nd Part of the 6th Trumpet

If someone will read and study the second part of the Sixth Trumpet (Revelation 10:1 up to 11:14), there’s a tendency to put the chronology of it as it appears, thus:

The Angel with the little scroll
The eating of the little scroll by John
The measuring of the temple and the altar and those who worship there
The trampling of the holy city
The prophesying of the two witnesses
The conquering and killing of the two witnesses
The resurrection of the two witnesses

Understanding the time settings of this passage will give you a different view of its chronology.

(Rev 10:1 NIV)  Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars.
(Rev 10:2 NIV)  He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land,
(Rev 10:3 NIV)  and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke.
(Rev 10:4 NIV)  And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”
(Rev 10:5 NIV)  Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven.
(Rev 10:6 NIV)  And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay!
(Rev 10:7 NIV)  But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”
(Rev 10:8 NIV)  Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me once more: “Go, take the scroll that lies open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”
(Rev 10:9 NIV)  So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, “Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.”
(Rev 10:10 NIV)  I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour.
(Rev 10:11 NIV)  Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

Many will agree that the time setting of Rev 10:1 – 7 except verse 4 is during the 6th Trumpet. Now, notice verse 4 and verses 8 – 11. Does their time setting belong to the 6th Trumpet or to the time when John is seeing the vision? John wrote what he is seeing in the vision in his time, so, the latter is the answer.

(Rev 11:1 NIV)  I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there.
(Rev 11:2 NIV)  But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.
(Rev 11:3 NIV)  And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
(Rev 11:4 NIV)  These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
(Rev 11:5 NIV)  If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.
(Rev 11:6 NIV)  These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
(Rev 11:7 NIV)  Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
(Rev 11:8 NIV)  Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
(Rev 11:9 NIV)  For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial.
(Rev 11:10 NIV)  The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

Continuing to chapter 11 verse 1, you will see “our” time setting remained in John’s time. Then, from verse 2 (last part) up to verse 3 and from verse 7 up to verse 10 John was told of events by our LORD that is future then. Notice, John did not visionally see those events – they were told to him in the vision.

If you will look in Luke 21:24 – 25, you will see that the trampling of the holy city by the gentiles occur before the signs in the sun, moon and the stars appear. Are not these signs the darkening of the sun, the turning of the moon as blood and the falling of the stars of heaven to the earth, all of which are part of the 6th Seal?

This fact is a strong proof of the above argument. Some people say these trampling of the holy city by the gentiles begun in 688 AD and ended in 1967 AD. Here’s the link: GENTILE 42 “MONTHS”

Let’s continue to the events that were told – about the two witnesses (Rev 11:3, 7 – 10). Even though the actual fulfillment of these events belong to the time of the 6th Trumpet, the focal point in time of the one who’s talking still belongs to that of John.

Verses 4 – 6 are the attributes of the Two Witnesses.

Some of the readers’ attention may be called by the tense of the verb “ascend” or “come out” in verse 7 (I know my English is poor and very basic.) As I understand it, the form of the verb here does not imply the present time whether the focal point in time is of John or of the 6th Trumpet but as an attribute of the beast – the ascending of it more than once. We know this beast will ascend from the bottomless pit on its 7th head but what about its 1st appearance?

(Rev 11:11 NIV)  But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.
(Rev 11:12 NIV)  Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
(Rev 11:13 NIV)  At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
(Rev 11:14 NIV)  The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.

We move now to verses 11 up to 13. You will see here that the continuation of the account of the two witnesses now comes to John as a vision. And, that would mean our focal point in time goes back to that of the 6th Trumpet.

With these things in mind, you might be tempted to make a chronology you think is the correct one but wait. You must read these things first.
(Joe 3:16 ESV)  The LORD roars from Zion, and utters his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth quake. But the LORD is a refuge to his people, a stronghold to the people of Israel.

(Amo 1:2 ESV)  And he said: “The LORD roars from Zion and utters his voice from Jerusalem; the pastures of the shepherds mourn, and the top of Carmel withers.”

We know that the “roaring” and the “utterances of the voice” of our Lord announces the coming of His anger. Does this anger represent the whole of His wrath in the last days or just a part of it? In Revelation 15:1 we are told of the 7 last plagues and if there are last plagues there is/are also plague(s) that preceded them. So our Lord’s wrath is divided into different parts. Now, if you will read Jeremiah 25:30-38 you will see that the “roaring” and the “utterances of the voice” of our Lord signify His FIERCE anger.

(Jer 25:30 KJV)  Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.
(Jer 25:37 KJV)  And the peaceable habitations are cut down because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
(Jer 25:38 KJV)  He hath forsaken his covert, as the lion: for their land is desolate because of the fierceness of the oppressor, and because of his fierce anger.

Also read the following verse:
(Joe 2:11 KJV)  And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

We see from this verse that when our Lord utters His voice, it will be the time of His Day – the Day of the Lord. So, it can be said that the Lord’s Day includes His fierce anger which is a part of His wrath.

Now, let’s go back to the 2nd part of the 6th Trumpet.

(Rev 10:3 NIV)  and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke.
(Rev 10:4 NIV)  And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”

We have in this passage a “loud shout like the roar of a lion” and “voices of the seven thunders”. Are these two things the “roaring” and the “utterances of the voice” of our Lord in the earlier passages? Well, the “loud shout like the roar of a lion” could obviously be the “roaring” but with the “voices of the seven thunders”, the reader might need to read the following passages:

(Exo 19:19 ESV)  And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder.

(Job 37:4 LITV)  After it, a voice roars; He thunders with His majestic voice; and He will not hold them back when His voice is heard.
(Job 37:5 LITV)  God thunders wondrously with His voice; He does great things, and we do not know.

(Joh 12:28 LITV)  Father, glorify Your name. Then a voice came out of the heaven: I both glorified it, and I will glorify it again.
(Joh 12:29 LITV)  Then standing and hearing, the crowd said that thunder occurred. Others said, An angel has spoken to Him.
(Joh 12:30 LITV)  Jesus answered and said, This voice has not occurred because of Me, but because of you.

As you can see here, the voice of our God is likened to a thunder. As for me, the “utterances of the voice” of our Lord (Joel 3:16 and Amos 1:2) are the “voices of the seven thunders” (Rev 10:3-4).

Could Rev10:3-4 be really an announcement and a warning that the Day of the Lord is about to begin? Let’s just move to the next verses of our passage:

(Rev 10:5 KJV)  And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
(Rev 10:6 KJV)  And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
(Rev 10:7 KJV)  But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

In this passage you will notice in verse 5 and 6 (blue lettered words), it is suggesting that we use God’s reckoning of time as in Daniel 12:7. The Second Book of Peter tells us of a time God reckons as a day.
(2Pe 3:8 NIV)  But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Additionally, the verses above include another hint (red lettered words). Compare it with the verse below:
(Exo 20:11 KJV)  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Bringing together the blue and the red hints, aren’t they telling of a 6000-year period that is about to end very shortly and in turn confirms what was said above about the announcement and warning that the Day of the Lord which is 1000-year period is about to begin very shortly at this point in time of the 6th Trumpet? The age of the Earth is NOT meant here by the 6000-year period.

WISDOM AND GLORY BELONGS TO OUR GOD AND TO OUR LORD YESHUA

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